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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:02 pm

One of the unfortunate consequences of dealing with an area where there is relatively little hard info is that it leads the way oipen to cranks.

In this case a sensible discussion is infected by a semi-educated, bran=in damaged fool who knows nothing about the subject and who is incaapble of learning.

Usually one gets the arthurian brigade who stamp about pretending every ruler at this time was the model for the once and future king.

In this case we have someone making up whole peoples, despising the texts and the archaelogy, admits to being illiterate in the languages but then pretends to know them.

It is high time these osrt of people were retired.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:07 pm

Simon21 wrote:
E.P. Grondine wrote:https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrzej_Kozlowski3

do not try to bullshit me, simon

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... y_minerals

do not try to bullshit me, simon

http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/390/1/177

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do not try to bullshit me, simon

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do not try to bullshit me, simon

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As you have been told 5 times garnets in A/S finds come from Sri Lanka. And these images are not garnets.

So brain dead stop your silly non research and go back to drooling over your porn.


The very sad thing is that your stroke has obviously effected your sight as well as your brain.

Scone is not in Denmark, it is in Scotland, a different country.

Frantically cobbling together a raft of docs and then claiming they actually mean something is stupid. Not actually checking the docs to see if they are worth anythng is beynd stupid and further evidence that this ignorant individual has never done any real research.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:39 pm

For those who want a basic grounding in the subject Stenton's Anglo-Saxon England is the seminal text. It can be usefully complimented by Higham's The Anglo-Saxon World. Michael Wood's In Search of the Dark Ages is a good general guide and anything by the frankly amazing Peter Brown will give a good background to the whole era, though Peter Heather does not accept his transformation and localisation concept.

Particular studies are also useful. The Fields of Britannia generated a lot of excitement when it was published. The contijnued existence of field systems seems to indicate the continued existence of the owners. Kenneth Jackson is the doyen of place name studies crucial to this period, though study here is still turning up fascinating insights - the fairly recent notion that the town of Leatherhead may derive from the British "the Grey ford" seems to imply that there were British speakers close to London, as well as obviously in it during the period of the Adventus.

But this is all about Britain. Obviously Brittany and Britona are also worth looking at. Unfortunately archaeology here has not turned up as yet any great evidence for a British migration, as Gildas states (though it has been pointed out he does not actually say where the British fled to, only that they left the island). The obvious answer is that these places may have shared the name long before the end of the Empire. According to Jordanes a British king Riothamus led an army of 12,000 in Gaul, which, if true, is an enormous number of men which of course opens a whole nest of questions.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:03 pm


Christ, when I saw this stuff in the field I thought it was carnelian.

Do not try to bullshit me, simon.

Right now were dealing with internal analysis from within Anglo-Saxon burials.
No metal workshops demonstrated,
solely baseless assertions as to their existence.
No metal craftsman's stone tools demonstrated.

No isotopic analysis of garnet sources;
hell, not even spectral analysis of the garnets.
Very limited analysis of gold - no analysis to sources

Furthermore, motif analysis is done completely ignoring "Pict" motifs,
which are well demonstrated on their monuments

YES, THIS IS A F*****G SEAL, AND THERE WERE NONE OF THEM IN GAUL OR GERMANIA
AT THE TIME THIS PIECE WAS CRAFTED-
AND NO SEALS IN ANY REGION UNDER ANGLO-SAXON DOMINATION

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"CHAPTER XXXIII.THE PROPHECY OF THE HOLY MAN REGARDING THE ROBBER ERC MOCU DRUIDI,
WHO DWELT IN THE ISLAND COLOSO

AT another time, when the saint was in the Iouan island (Hy, now Iona), he called two of the brothers, Lugbe and Silnan, and gave them this charge, "Sail over now to the Malean island, and on the open ground, near the sea-shore, look for Erc, a robber, who came alone last night in secret from the island Coloso. He strives to hide himself among the sand hills during the daytime under his boat, which he covers with hay, that he may sail across at night to the little island where our young seals are brought forth and nurtured. When this furious robber has stealthily killed as many as he can, he then fills his boat, and goes back to his hiding-place."

They proceeded at once in compliance with their orders, and found the robber lying hid in the very spot that was indicated, and they brought him to the saint, as they had been told.

The saint looked at him, and said,
"Why dost thou transgress the commandment of God so often by stealing the property of others?
If thou art in want at any time, come to us and thy needs shall be supplied."

At the same time he ordered some wethers to be killed, and given to the wretched thief in place of the seals, that he might not return empty.

A short time after the saint saw in spirit that the death of the robber was at hand, and ordered Baithen, then steward in the plain of Lunge,
to send a fat sheep and six pecks of corn as a last gift.
Baithen sent them at once as the saint had recommended,
but he found that the wretched robber had died suddenly the same day, and the presents sent over were used at his burial.

Actually analyzing this into its sources and under lying facts would be interesting

do not try to bullshit me, simon.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:42 am

E.P. Grondine wrote:
Christ, when I saw this stuff in the field I thought it was carnelian.

Do not try to bullshit me, simon.

Right now were dealing with internal analysis from within Anglo-Saxon burials.
No metal workshops demonstrated,
solely baseless assertions as to their existence.
No metal craftsman's stone tools demonstrated.

No isotopic analysis of garnet sources;
hell, not even spectral analysis of the garnets.
Very limited analysis of gold - no analysis to sources

Furthermore, motif analysis is done completely ignoring "Pict" motifs,
which are well demonstrated on their monuments

YES, THIS IS A F*****G SEAL, AND THERE WERE NONE OF THEM IN GAUL OR GERMANIA
AT THE TIME THIS PIECE WAS CRAFTED-
AND NO SEALS IN ANY REGION UNDER ANGLO-SAXON DOMINATION

Image


"CHAPTER XXXIII.THE PROPHECY OF THE HOLY MAN REGARDING THE ROBBER ERC MOCU DRUIDI,
WHO DWELT IN THE ISLAND COLOSO

AT another time, when the saint was in the Iouan island (Hy, now Iona), he called two of the brothers, Lugbe and Silnan, and gave them this charge, "Sail over now to the Malean island, and on the open ground, near the sea-shore, look for Erc, a robber, who came alone last night in secret from the island Coloso. He strives to hide himself among the sand hills during the daytime under his boat, which he covers with hay, that he may sail across at night to the little island where our young seals are brought forth and nurtured. When this furious robber has stealthily killed as many as he can, he then fills his boat, and goes back to his hiding-place."

They proceeded at once in compliance with their orders, and found the robber lying hid in the very spot that was indicated, and they brought him to the saint, as they had been told.

The saint looked at him, and said,
"Why dost thou transgress the commandment of God so often by stealing the property of others?
If thou art in want at any time, come to us and thy needs shall be supplied."

At the same time he ordered some wethers to be killed, and given to the wretched thief in place of the seals, that he might not return empty.

A short time after the saint saw in spirit that the death of the robber was at hand, and ordered Baithen, then steward in the plain of Lunge,
to send a fat sheep and six pecks of corn as a last gift.
Baithen sent them at once as the saint had recommended,
but he found that the wretched robber had died suddenly the same day, and the presents sent over were used at his burial.

Actually analyzing this into its sources and under lying facts would be interesting

do not try to bullshit me, simon.



I do not care whether you are bullshitted or not. Youa e an ignorant charlatan who is polluting this board with his drivel.

It seems you are a rank fraud who tries to peddle himself as some sort of expert. Ohio iis famous for its fraudsters.

Hi time you were removed from the board.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:54 am

Ofr course there is an issue with Anglo Saxon jewellery from the Adventus period, particularly that associated with Sutton Hoo.

In particular the helmet and the shoulder clasps.

The helmet uses Swedish styles in its decoration. But no such helmets, as far as I am aware come from Sweden. To some of us it resembles nothing less than a roman parade helmet, such as been found in several sites in Britain, and the puepose of which seems to be unknown, although they were worn - there are signs of wear on the clasps.

The other issue are the shoulder clasps. Gorgeously decorated and inlaid they are not unique but again they seem to hint at classical forms. It would of course be helpful if what they had clasped had survived, but it didn't.

Here is a discussion:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/pdf/9%20Adams-opt-sec.pdf

What is clear that classical or not the inlaid form of design was firmly in the continental tradition. The drawings of the Childeric treasure show the Franks weree also keen on this style.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:32 am


well, simon, send me an address and I'll send you some money for vaseline,
so you can continue with your 6 documents and Patrick -

Of course from your point of view the Vododin and Caledonians (Cruit)
were incapable of fine gold work inlaid with garnets -
it had to be Anglo-Saxons.

Well, it wasn't.

The problem that you have is that you have no stone molds and no stone tools, no metalsmiths' workshops.
And that is the difference between you and me - I do not have that problem.

Yes, there is a crank here - one without artifacts, and that is you,
one who simply relies on abusive language instead.
I hope tiompan, who you called a liar, is enjoying this.

By the way, my current set of "geological specimens" is not my first from SW Scotland,
I now need to get them where they now belong.

I've never met the pope, but I did have a nice lunch with the Vatican Astronomer 15 years ago.

do not try to bullshit me, simon
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:10 am

well, simon, send me an address and I'll send you some money for vaseline,
so you can continue with your 6 documents and Patrick -


Don't you need it to pay for your "good" porn? You do wash your hands before touching the keyboard?


Of course from your point of view the Vododin and Caledonians (Cruit)
were incapable of fine gold work inlaid with garnets -
it had to be Anglo-Saxons.


Two mythical people.The number is growing. Who next? The Spruit? the Inuit? The cabbage patch kids?

Well, it wasn't.

The problem that you have is that you have no stone molds and no stone tools, no metalsmiths' workshops.
And that is the difference between you and me - I do not have that problem.


Your problem is that you do not have a brain


By the way, my current set of "geological specimens" is not my first from SW Scotland,
I now need to get them where they now belong.


Who gives a fuck?

I've never met the pope, but I did have a nice lunch with the Vatican Astronomer 15 years ago.
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He was able to underestand you? How sweet.

As for Tiompan didn't he call you a liar and a joke, like everyone else has done. Hopefuly your er retirement is only a matter of time

Think of your family and the time you have left.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:19 am

A swift visit to the BM is a salutary reminder that archaeology may yet find some disnction between settlers and original inhabitants:

http://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and ... ns-burials

This division has been observed before as well as the grouping of burials around or near a moer prominent grave.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:04 pm

With an idle moment at hand one examines the wastes of Grondism to see where the fool gets his er ideas.

It appears what we have here is an ill educated individual who tries to use Wikipedia to pretend to knowledge.

Which is not unusual among the idotic except in this case the individual is incapable of using the resource.

To take a case in point. There have never been a people in Britain called the "Cruit". What is possibly meant are the Cruith - which is an Irish grouping which scholars have proved to have nothing to do with the Picts or the Caledonians (given the identity of the Caledonians is even known).

As for the Vododin this is a Russian surname. Apparently 5th century Scotland saw an influx of Russians.

The Picts themselves have been well studied (as far as is able without written texts) and it is now accepted they were a Brittonic people.

None of these groups had anything to do with the acculturalisation of Britain - a fact simply proved by the fact they all speak a version of English (scots) and all adopted the Catholic Christian faith.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:37 pm

Think of the sheep, simon :shock:

Yes, there were helmets. I have not discussed them.
In particular their iconography.
Nor late or bad imitations of the good bling.

I'll leave you and Patrick some private time alone together.
I suppose that's better than sheep.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:35 am

E.P. Grondine wrote:Think of the sheep, simon :shock:

Yes, there were helmets. I have not discussed them.
In particular their iconography.
Nor late or bad imitations of the good bling.

I'll leave you and Patrick some private time alone together.
I suppose that's better than sheep.



You have not dicussed anything but blather on using half digested wikipedia knowledge.

Go back to your porn and stumbling around with your wounded friend clutching your pamphletts. Must be a sight to see.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:59 pm

First, a few corrections -

Ve(r)tureones was read Ve(n)turiones -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PUj8yYfzv4
the question now is were they migrants from Norway or elsewhere - which is what I consider likely, and if so, where
archaeology could provide the answer.

Note the emphasis on the northern "PIcts" Gododin, not the western Picts - Caledonians (Cruit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KubTeCZiVpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95XTjjyxwME

Second, the bull cult mentioned in the LIfe of Columba may not have been Mithraic-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95XTjjyxwME
see Rhynie man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u59LEC79xIU
13:00; and 18:00 et. seq
also note tongs
Now metal working was a skill passed on within a people,
and so far we have no Anglo Sazon workshops.

Metal working just to the north of Girvan -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzWR3IUecI

Metal working just to the south of Girvan - including gold metal working
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKmjrhdITkg

And the mysterious Dal Riada -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMR0WymyVgQ
another mystery which could be easily answered through archaeology.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:42 pm

First, a few corrections -


Good. And the first one is that Scotland is not part of Denmark s this individual thinks.

Ve(r)tureones was read Ve(n)turiones -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PUj8yYfzv4
the question now is were they migrants from Norway or elsewhere - which is what I consider likely, and if so, where
archaeology could provide the answer.


A simple child's Atlas could solve this problem

No one is interested in the views of someone who cannot grasp basic geography

Note the emphasis on the northern "PIcts" Gododin, not the western Picts - Caledonians (Cruit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KubTeCZiVpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95XTjjyxwME


Note no need to bother with this drivel.

Second, the bull cult mentioned in the LIfe of Columba may not have been Mithraic-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95XTjjyxwME
see Rhynie man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u59LEC79xIU
13:00; and 18:00 et. seq


Read a book

also note tongs
Now metal working was a skill passed on within a people,
and so far we have no Anglo Sazon workshops.


So now the Saxons did not know how to forge metal?

What an ape

etal working just to the north of Girvan -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzWR3IUecI


More lies and drivel

Metal working just to the south of Girvan - including gold metal working
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKmjrhdITkg


This would be in South Jutland?

And the mysterious Dal Riada -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMR0WymyVgQ
another mystery which could be easily answered through archaeology.
Usually people believe what they want to believe until reality intrudes.


Anyone who thinks youtube has any value as a source needs their head (or half head) read. Only of value to simple minds.

Here Stan proves the existence of Atlantis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goFh7N49xEE

And here is proof of the Yeti:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-r_Y8S1DNk

Proof aliens exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL_LMKPGmmQ

Given this individual's predilictions this could be useful:

http://marylebonecentre.co.uk/therapeut ... 2MQAvD_BwE
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:38 pm

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