Anyone have any comments on Hawass' lost pyramid?

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Anyone have any comments on Hawass' lost pyramid?

Post by Minimalist » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:34 pm

Numerous leaps of logic there in that show. I'll start with the last.

Why would the Romans tear down that one pyramid? And one on top of a mountain to begin with?

There are plenty of late old and middle kingdom pyramids which fell down all by themselves due to shoddy construction. If they wanted pre-cut stones why not take them from the more accessible pyramids which had already been kind enough to fall apart?
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Post by rich » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:49 am

Hmmm - could be easy:

1: The Romans were a$$h0les - nah - they built an empire and Zahi didn't ( :lol: )

2: He lied.

3: They didn't do it!

Fit the bill?? :lol:

'Course it could just be that the stones on that thing were just sooooo well cut and pretty!!!!!!!
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Post by Ishtar » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:54 am

I haven't had time to get it to yet. Hope to this weekend but also have to keep half an eye on prolific telly and online coverage of Glastonbury festival as I'm hoping for a glimpse of my four-year-old grand daughter jiggling up and down on her Dad's shoulders to some band or another - she's such a groover! [here's where we need a proud beaming grandmother smilie!] :D

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Post by Cognito » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:59 am

Min, I watched the presentation and was laughing at the continuous speculation by Zahi & Co. Zahi's team found a wooden mallet dated from the time of the Romans near the pyramid so obviously those mean Romans disassembled it. Wow. They obviously didn't have time to get to the other pyramids.

His team believes that the Sphinx was carved to represent Khufu since a carving of Khufu shows that he didn't have a beard -- and the Sphinx doesn't have a beard. More wow, that's great science from a panel of "experts" who can set us all right. :roll:

The only fact that I could discern from the entire program was that Zahi will do whatever is possible to sell DVDs on the History Channel.
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Post by Minimalist » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:10 am

Yeah, Cogs.....I must admit a few times I found myself saying....


"WTF did he just say!"

Virtually every pyramid from the 5th dynasty through the end of the middle kingdom fell down all on its own. When I saw the first shot of the site I said "earthquake." Was I ever surprised when they blamed Octavian!
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Post by Ishtar » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:06 am

I'm halfway through the second half and I can't be bothered to waste any more time on it, especially now you've told me the 'great reveal' - the Romans dunnit, with one wooden mallet!

Like you Cogs, I snorted at their theory about how Khufu must be the sphinx because Khufu didn't have a beard and neither did the Sphinx. Brilliant deduction going on here!

And yes, Min, I too said 'earthquake' as soon as I saw the ruins.

But I must say, it was great to see, for instance, the Necropolis. I would have been quite happy if they'd just put a camera down in the middle of that and programmed it to turn on a 360 degree circle over 24 hours, with optional zooming. I would have been like a pig in shit! :lol:

But I'm coming to realise that the pyramids were not just tombs - and not just because of what we know about Neolithic burial customs.

The very word, pyramids, has 'pyr' at this root, as does pyromaniac or pyrotechnic. So it's to do with fire. My recent research and growing understanding about how the horse sacrfice developed, as a means of preventing the end of the world, is leading me to think that the pyramid was a structural metaphor for a volcano. And possibly with a previous extinction event still in the forefront of their minds, the Egyptian maithuna was a sacrificial ritual that took place in the highest part of the pyramid, under the cap made of silver, gold and bronze. The maithuna is a later (circa 3,000 BC) development of the horse sacrifice, which is as old as dirt, and it was where the king has sex with a sacred prostitute as a means of placating the sun god (Ra or Re in Egyptian) as they regarded a volcanic explosion, because of the resulting fireball, as his doing - or that of his female consort, the Eye of Hathor.

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Post by Minimalist » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:46 am

The technology is what interests me most, Ish. I was speechless at their "demonstration" of two guys cutting granite with a toothless copper saw and sand. BTW, note that they didn't actually show them making any progress they merely asserted that eventually they would cut through the granite.

Perhaps that is true...steady erosion can whittle away mountains....but what does it do to the construction schedule of the project? Each block would need 6 cuts ( 4 sides, top and bottom.) Don't tell me that you are going to smooth such a block with copper chisels....they would bounce off.

Even quarrying granite out of the ground the first time would seem to be a daunting task. True, you can break off large slabs but then you have to be hopeful that they don't break into pieces that are too small to be used. And, if the slabs are too large you have to cut them down anyway just so you can move them.

The entire technological aspect of building a pyramid using the methods which the Egyptology Club claims they had available reminds me of the old adage:

Everything is easy for the man who doesn't have to do it himself.
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Post by rich » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:52 am

Sooooooooo - - - Min - does that mean you subscribe to the notion of - uh - M A G I C???????????? :shock:



Or - - - just as flabbergasting - E.T.?



Or just simply steel tools? Hardened steel that is.



Or is there another option?
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Post by rich » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:54 am

Ahhh - I know - cement :D Or at least some form of concrete!!!
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Post by Minimalist » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:36 am

rich wrote:Sooooooooo - - - Min - does that mean you subscribe to the notion of - uh - M A G I C???????????? :shock:

As in, "any sufficiently advanced science would be indistinguishable from magic?" Maybe.

Or - - - just as flabbergasting - E.T.?

No evidence for that either.

Or just simply steel tools? Hardened steel that is.

Then where are they? They've found thousands of copper chisels but even iron is rare and generally meteoritic in origin.

Or is there another option?

There must be. [/b]
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Post by Ishtar » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:38 am

Minimalist wrote:
rich wrote:Sooooooooo - - - Min - does that mean you subscribe to the notion of - uh - M A G I C???????????? :shock:

As in, "any sufficiently advanced science would be indistinguishable from magic?" Maybe.

Or - - - just as flabbergasting - E.T.?

No evidence for that either.

Or just simply steel tools? Hardened steel that is.

Then where are they? They've found thousands of copper chisels but even iron is rare and generally meteoritic in origin.

Or is there another option?

There must be. [/b]
Maybe those lasers from Atlantis - the same ones that cut the crystal skulls? :lol:

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Post by Minimalist » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:44 am

I have to run to the airport but somewhere there is a picture of a stone from Tiahuanaco with a grove cut in it.

Looks like it was done with a laser....but of course, that's IMPOSSIBLE isn't it.

:lol:
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Post by Ishtar » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:46 am

Min!! Are you becoming a New Ager?? :shock: :shock:

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Post by rich » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:00 pm

Almost sounds like the stone of Solomon :D

High pressure water on the other hand - that will cut through just about anything - but it has to be reeaally high pressure. AND it leaves no tooling marks!

As for steel - thats iron - as in hematite. And steel and iron rust - sooo - - but even steel wold have a helluva time cuttin that stuff. Diamond tho - hmmm.
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Post by Digit » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:20 pm

If I get enough volunteers I'll organise a search party! :lol:

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