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Luwian notes

The Old World is a reference to those parts of Earth known to Europeans before the voyages of Christopher Columbus; it includes Europe, Asia and Africa.

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Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:53 pm

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Postby Tiompan » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:43 pm

[quote="E.P. Grondine"[/quote]

Zangger refutes Cline throughout his entire lecture .[/quote]

Refute :prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove..
Provide examples where Zangger refutes Kline .
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Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:33 pm

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Postby Tiompan » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:13 am

[quote="E.P. Grondine"[

Zangger refutes Cline throughout his entire lecture .[/quote]

[quote="E.P. Grondine"[if you watched the videos, then you'll see the differences in chronology, peoples, and events throughout.
Zangger gives well dated specifics, while Cline entertains with vague handwaving.[/quote]

To cut through the crap ,"Provide examples where Zangger refutes Kline" .i.e. "Refute: prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.."
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Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:54 am

I'll deal with Cline's nonsense myself when I'm ready to, tiompan.

If you'll notice, there were no less than Hittite chronologies that were built, and all of them relied on Egyptian chronologies that are known to be off by 50 or 75 years themselves. In the Hittie texts, we have identities in King's names, difficulties in placing some key documents, and new documents showing up.

In astron0my, and specifically that sub-field of it dealing with impact events, work is expected to be done at least to the year.
(I even managed to miss the iron asteroid impact at Ephesus in my earlier passes through these materials.)

In the meantime, what both the literalists and minimalists try to walk on by is why G*d would demand the genocidal slaughter of the earlier Canaanites.

On a deep level, perhaps what we're looking at here is a fundamental flaw in Judae-Chrstian belief systems.
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Postby Minimalist » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:31 am

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Postby Minimalist » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:45 pm

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Postby E.P. Grondine » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:48 am

Hi min -

Now you have to come up with reasons why such an odd tale would be created and included in their holy book.

tiompan -

I have a hypothesis as to the end of LM1B:
"Thunderbolt steers all things" - Heroclitus of Miletus
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Postby kbs2244 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:54 pm

We are getting well away from the thread title.
But I have to defend the Bible.

Re:
Joshua's genocide command.

The Canaanites were notorious for their cruelty, which included burning children alive in sacrificial fires.* (2 Kings 16:3) The Canaanites also knew that God had commanded Israel to take possession of all their land.

Therefore those who chose wage war were taking a deliberate stand against not only the Israelites but also God, who had given powerful evidence that he used his people to full fill His decrees

And it was not without it's exemptions.
God extended mercy to some Canaanites who abandoned their wickedness and accepted God’s high moral standards.

For example, the Canaanite prostitute Rahab was saved, along with her family.

Also, when the inhabitants of the Canaanite city of Gibeon sought mercy, they and all their children were preserved alive.—

In the end, an act of divine justice is not comparable to a human war. Because unlike humans, God is able to read hearts—that is, what humans are on the inside.

But that assumes you accept the concept of a greater than human intelligence.
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Postby Minimalist » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:18 pm

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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