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Roman DNA

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Minimalist » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:59 pm

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Re: Roman DNA

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:31 am

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/201 ... y-britain/

Might be interesting except for this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/201 ... d-univers/

Which seems to put the cart before the horse - how do we know the "borders" of the Anglo Saxon kingdoms, this was long before land surveying.
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Re: Roman DNA

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Re: Roman DNA

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby kbs2244 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:06 am

From your example it would seem to depend on if the speaker was talking about a people or a territory.
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Re: Roman DNA

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Minimalist » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:43 pm

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Re: Roman DNA

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Minimalist » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:18 pm

Acts is one miracle tale after another. For that reason I dismiss it as bullshit, not history.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:14 pm

Ok Flavius Josephus then. The point is you could become a roman citizen for services to the state - even if you had been a rebel.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Minimalist » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:15 pm

But I don't think you could raise an entire cohort of auxillia from traitors who surrendered their armies and became the future emperor's mouthpiece. There just weren't enough of them.

Whenever you say "how did the Romans do something" you have to add on a date. The Roman Republic/Empire lasted for 1,000 years in the West and another 1,0000 years after that in the East. They did not cling stubbornly to the old ways of doing things. They evolved. For instance, it was not until the early 1st century BCE that most ( but not all ) of the Italian cities were granted citizenship and most of them had been Roman allies for centuries. It was called the Social Wars and it was a sobering wake up call to the Romans. But still, it was not universal citizenship.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:30 am

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why was aul a ROman Citzin

Postby kbs2244 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:26 pm

Paul had his Roman citizenship due to being born in Tarsus.

Over a hundred years previously, the Roman politician Anthony had conferred Roman citizenship upon all the inhabitants of Tarsus, and later Emperor Caesar Augustus confirmed those privileges.

Tarsus was the principal city of the region of Cilicia in the southeast corner of Asia Minor. It was a large, prosperous trading city, strategically located along a prime E-W overland trade route). The city also maintained a harbor that connected the Cydnus River with the Mediterranean Sea.
A number of noted personalities visited Tarsus, including Mark Antony, Cleopatra, and Julius Caesar, as well as several emperors

Roman statesman and writer Cicero was the city’s governor from 51 to 50 B.C.E.
Tarsus was famous as a seat of learning in the first century C.E., and according to the Greek geographer Strabo, as such it outranked even Athens and Alexandria

It was because of this city’s history that Paul, before his conversion to Christianity, was proud to be known as “Saul of Tarsus”

The Romans did not care that he had changed religions.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Minimalist » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:00 pm

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