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Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Minimalist » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:04 pm

Indians did not have horses at all until a couple got away from the Spanish. The Plains tribes used to hunt buffalo on foot.
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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Digit » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:13 pm

I'm aware of that Min, but eventually they had lots of horses, which they may well have bred or may, at some time, have captured from the wild stock. What I meant was did they eventually start to selectively breed to 'improve' the stock?
The reason I ask is that I can see no reason to assume that 'improving' the stock can be used as a means of establishing a date for domestication. Logically selective breeding, if adopted at all, would be a later development.

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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Minimalist » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:38 pm

I simply don't know.

Hernando Cortez is the one who carelessly lost a few horses, c 1535 while exploring northwestern Mexico. To say that the species flourished in north America would be a monumental understatement. Within a couple of hundred years they had spread to the Plains where Lewis and Clark encountered them in 1803. When you think about it, that is an idea traveling far and fast.

It would seem that the Indians got them from wild herds but, once a stock was established, future breeding would be mainly within that stock. I don't know if that constitutes genetic engineering. Further, there is no reason to think that different tribes did not do things in different ways.

Somewhere out there I imagine there is an expert on the issue. I am not it.
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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Digit » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:47 pm

I wait with baited breath! :D
Franly I suspect that 'improvement' would have been a much later event. Here in the UK it only took place when there was a need for it, and with it went the need for grain. If tamed wild stock, which is obviously acclimatised to living on forage, meets your needs why go looking for extra trouble?

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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby kbs2244 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:53 pm

We talked about horses in N A about a year ago over at Ishtar’s Gate.
There is some possible evidence from Virginia Steen McIntyre’s work
of domesticated horses 350,000 years ago in N A

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/phpBB3/viewt ... f=27&t=583

Of course this blows the socks off anyone “respectable.”
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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Digit » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:03 pm

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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Minimalist » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:20 pm

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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Digit » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:23 pm

Sounds about right to me.

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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Minimalist » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:31 pm

I've seen that photo before though. Looks like a Rohrschact test to me. Too many extraneous scratches.
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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby Minimalist » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:35 am

Yes, R/S but The Club keeps telling us that the primitives were no where near as smart as we moderns!
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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

Postby kbs2244 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:15 am

Always thinking someone may come behind them, or that they may be coming back the same way, those square riggers even dropped off breeding herds on some isles.
Thus the numerous “Pig Island” and “Goat Island” found along some coasts.

Of course, on occasion, the pigs and goats learned to swim.

And I bet they thought they were the first to come up with the idea.
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Re: Horses Domesticated in 3,500 BC.

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