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Fish Story

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:18 pm
by Minimalist

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:34 pm
by kbs2244
OK
Talk to me….

What kind of intelligence does it take to look at a snail shell,
recognize that if I cut it into a slice of what I am holding,
I would now have something that I could put a chunk of whatever those big fish out there that I find tasty like to eat,
and maybe they will swallow it and get it snagged in their gut so that I can drag it in to then eat it?

That seems like a lot of step by step thinking in advance of action.

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:44 am
by Digit
There's a bit more to it than that I suspect. Logic would seem to suggest that the first fishing would have been by catching trapped fish in rock pools when the tide withdrew.
I doubt that fishing with a lure was the kick off.

Roy.

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:45 am
by kbs2244
I can accept the catching of trapped fish as a way of developing a taste for them.
But it seems a long jump from foraging trapped fish to hunting by designing and then baiting a hook.
Spearing seems to make sense as a first step.

But baiting is a lot more subtle.
(Fishing lures are a multi-million dollar business. Although I sometimes think the true catch is the one holding to pole, not the one at the end of the string.)

Just recognizing that a snail shell could be made into a hook is a big step in it’s self.
Then, how do you learn what to use as bait?

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:11 pm
by Digit

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:14 pm
by circumspice

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:52 pm
by Digit
Rather like a nuclear bomb, the theory is easy, the construction isn't. Firstly you need suitable material, next you need a tool to make the hook and finally some form of line.
Making something like a number 16 hook from bone would be something of a challenge, large hooks means large fish. A gorge is much simpler.

Roy.

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:48 pm
by Minimalist
One imagines that when times got rough our ancestors would not be above scavenging fish which washed up on shore.

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:50 pm
by circumspice

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:47 pm
by kbs2244
Back to the original news release.

There is no indication of a “starvation” of “survival” situation.

It world seem that this was a regular part of the daily diet.

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:08 am
by circumspice

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:14 am
by Minimalist

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:21 am
by kbs2244
“cyclical starvation was the status quo.
Forensic studies of ancient human remains (& their hominid ancestors) show frequent episodic cycles of starvation. “

Maybe so. But if it was “cyclical” that would make it “regular.”


At some point in time the first guy had to look at a fish and say " I wonder how that tastes."

I have always wondered about the guy that said that about a snail!
But then mabe that came after he cut one up to use the shell for a fish hook.
What came first; the hook or the meal?

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:57 am
by Minimalist
And somewhere along the way some guy looked at a lobster and said " melted butter would be perfect with that! "

Re: Fish Story

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:56 pm
by Digit
Fish, along with snails, were probably scavenged long before we became 'human' enough to work out how to catch them or cook them. I also doubt that a snail's shell is strong enough to make a worthwhile hook.
In most regions, once the hook idea is thought of, mother nature supplies her own hooks. Ask anyone who prunes roses.

Roy.