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Philo's guide to decoding the Hebrew Bible

The study of religious or heroic legends and tales. One constant rule of mythology is that whatever happens amongst the gods or other mythical beings was in one sense or another a reflection of events on earth. Recorded myths and legends, perhaps preserved in literature or folklore, have an immediate interest to archaeology in trying to unravel the nature and meaning of ancient events and traditions.

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Postby Minimalist » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:39 pm

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Postby Ishtar » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:08 am

OK Monk, this is the first throw of the dice in the new Paul debate under the parameters of only using the seven aforementioned epistles that all scholars agree are genuine.

However, before we start – just one small caveat. If Paul was a transmitter of the mysteries - the secret teachings and the initiations - he would have been preaching a dual message (just as Jesus is portrayed as doing, and just as they did in Eleusis in Greece with their Lesser Mysteries and Greater Mysteries). This means that Paul would have had one outer message for the masses that would rely on the Jesus as a human man, and the other secret teaching would centre on the initiation of the Christ consciousness within.

Theodotus the 2nd century Christian writer, confirms that this was Paul’s role. He says that Paul, having “become the apostle of the resurrection”, through his experience of revelation, from then on “taught in two ways at once.” On the one hand, he taught the saviour “according to the flesh”, as one “who was born and suffered” as in “Christ crucified” to the wider audience because “this is all they were capable of knowing, and in this way they feared him.”

But Theodotus says that to the elect he “proclaimed Christ according to the spirit, as one born from the spirit...”

Paul himself confirms this dual role in his letter to his Roman followers, to who he explained his mission in Romans 1:11-14:

“For I long to see you, that I may impart some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established ....

“[But] I am a debtor, both to the Greeks, and to the barbarians: both to the Wise and the unwise.”

In other words, I am called to teach both these different groups - the Greeks/Wise in this case being the initiated; the barbarians/unwise being the masses.

And again he says in 1 Cor. 2: 6-7.

“How be it that we speak wisdom among those that are perfect [initiates]; yet none of the wisdom of this world, nor the princes of this world, that comes to nought.

“But we speak of the wisdom of God [Sophia] in a mystery, ever the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory.”

So Monk, we will find evidence of both kinds of teachings among Paul’s genuine letters – the Literalist and the Gnostic. Thus I wonder if trading quote for quote is going to achieve anything in this case?

I think the only way forward is for you to find examples of where he is purported to be criticising the Gnostics, and see if they stand up to scrutiny.

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Postby Minimalist » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:40 am

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