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The Boat Post

The study of religious or heroic legends and tales. One constant rule of mythology is that whatever happens amongst the gods or other mythical beings was in one sense or another a reflection of events on earth. Recorded myths and legends, perhaps preserved in literature or folklore, have an immediate interest to archaeology in trying to unravel the nature and meaning of ancient events and traditions.

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Postby Ishtar » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:39 am

All very good points, KB. :D


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Postby Minimalist » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:21 am

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Postby Ishtar » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:02 am

Dare I say it - I think it's Jewish Gnostic literature.

It's certainly deeply allegorical.



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Postby kbs2244 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:16 pm

I guess you have to the root meanings of the words ‘devil” and “satan.”
“Devil,” in Greek, means slander or false accuser.
So using it in a way as someone opposed to God would mean someone that made a false accusation against God.
That is what he did in the Garden when he told Eve he was trying to hide something from her and Adam.

“Satan” goes back a bit farther into the story.
It means “resister.”
So that name would have been applied to him at the time he decided to “resist” Gods purpose for humans and turn them to worshipping him instead.

So then, in those terms, he is mentioned as a not so nice guy in the accepted Genesis.

No argument in the allegorical aspect of Enoch though.
That may be the reason it didn’t make the cut!
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Postby Ishtar » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:48 pm

First off, I believe the Garden of Eden story is a misunderstanding of the Sumerian version in which the serpent is deemed to be a wise and good teacher of wisdom to mankind.

"For the serpent was wiser than any of the animals that were in Paradise."

In the next mention of Satan in the OT, he is an obstructing angel - not obstructing or resisting God, but obstructing the road so that Balaam's ass doesn't take the wrong direction. In other words, his obstruction was to be helpful and nothing to do with resisting God or God's will. In fact, it was God's will that Satan obstruct Balaam's ass. This is all in the book of Numbers.

Satan is also portrayed as a helpful advisor to God in Job, where he makes suggestions to God about how he could test Job, and God takes on board these suggestions in the way that you would with a trusted counsellor. Again, Satan is far from going against God, but is working in partnership with him.

So where does Satan become evil? As far as I can see, only in the cosmological battle in Enoch, which is an allegory for electromagnetism, imo, in the same way that I showed with the churning of the mill allegories from Egypt, India and South America. Enoch's battle is the same story but told in a different way.

There are no evil spirits, much less a Devil. I can promise you that.





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Postby kbs2244 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:17 pm

Well. You may read the story of Balaam and Job that way, but it sure is not the accepted view when you take the whole context into view.
I guess it comes under the heading of “with friends like this, who needs enemies.”

And I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the existence of evil sprits
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