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The study of religious or heroic legends and tales. One constant rule of mythology is that whatever happens amongst the gods or other mythical beings was in one sense or another a reflection of events on earth. Recorded myths and legends, perhaps preserved in literature or folklore, have an immediate interest to archaeology in trying to unravel the nature and meaning of ancient events and traditions.

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Postby Minimalist » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:15 pm

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Postby Ishtar » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:39 pm

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Postby Ishtar » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:38 am

John

Before getting into waves and particles, I just want to recap briefly on how quantum mechanics relates to thought, because I think possibly everyone may not be on board with this.

As discussed earlier, Newtonian principles allow us to predict how objects will behave. So if an apple is dropped from a tree, Newton’s law of gravity predicts, quite correctly, that it will remain on the ground.

But Newtonian laws only apply to objects of more than one-thousandth of an inch. Anything less than that, like our thoughts, and Quantum laws apply. And we cannot yet always predict what will happen within the quantum as objects there sometimes seem to have minds of their own.

This is a picture of thoughts in action:


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Those tiny lights are neurotransmitters jumping the synaptic gap between neurons. Neurotransmitters carry our thoughts. So this is a picture of how we think. But both the neurotransmitter and the synaptic gap are of less than one thousandth of an inch - thus we think in a Quantum world that is regulated by Quantum principles.

I would like to propose that we live in two realities simultaneously. One of these is the here and now, our everyday world where Newtonian principles apply and so if we drop a clock on the floor, we know it will shatter.

The other world we live in is this Quantum world. This is the world of our thoughts – tiny sub-atomic particles that obey Quantum laws and not Newtonian ones. Thus if we drop a clock in the quantum world, it could just as easily melt or dissolve as break, like in a Salvador Dali painting.



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The closest most of us come to recognising the Quantum is when we dream. Our quantum-like dreams are not inhibited by the logic of the Newtonian world and so produce phantoms from our unconscious minds (which make up 96 per cent of our brains) that are total anarchists to rationality and predictability.



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So until now, the Newtonian view has been that the dream world is imaginary and thus had no reality. Well, that’s understandable really, because the Quantum doesn’t appear to have any reality in the Newtonian world any more than the Newtonian has any reality in the Quantum world. (Actually, the 96 per cent Quantum underpins the four per cent Newtonian world, and that's the point of this thread, but I'll leave all that for another day.)

So anyway, when we are perceiving in the Newtonian world - the here and now - our experiences are filtered through the limitations of our physical senses, our beliefs and our expectations, which are all working hell for leather to make sense out of everything. Of course, we don’t realise we’re having to perform such an arduous feat because we have evolved to do it naturally. But it is what we’re doing, and in order to achieve this so-called 'reality', we have to rule out 96 per cent of what’s actually there and then agree it with each other.

Richard Dawkins said that science's understanding of the universe is predicated upon a series of uncashed cheques.

Napoleon said that history is a lie agreed upon.

Shamans would suggest that our everyday world is a perceptual reality agreed upon.



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Here’s an example: Our brains tend to perceive stuff that doesn't exist, or not see what is really there. Ask any proofreader - a misplaced comma or an extra 'and' often escapes their attention, because they didn’t expect to see one.

Here's another: Right now, we’re having to turn this page on the screen the “right way up” in our heads, in order to be able to read it. Our retinas actually receive images upside down and so our brains have to turn them up the other way, to make any sense out of them.



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And that's just one mental acrobatic we have to perform to create our reality.

So dreams, in this context, are just another form of created perceptual reality where different laws apply – the laws that pertain to these quantum, microscopic objects that are our thoughts.

The shamanic journey is very similar to a dream – except that the shaman controls it.

So are we all aboard now?





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Postby john » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:30 pm

Ishtar -

Yr. last post very good.

But my cognitive boat hasn't lowered its sails since

- I don't remember -

Anyway, the reason I called upon Alfred North Whitehead in

My second post is that he was all over this stuff, early on.

And I learned a lot from him early on.

He was bold enough to argue that "all things"

Were process (wave) not physical entities (particle).

His good friend Bertrand Russell also

Quantized a thing called "Russel's Enonymous Paradox"

Or, I believe, the "Barber's Paradox"

Which blew set theory out the door and over the cliff.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3022/

Sorry, its referred to as the Barber Paradox in link above.

Anyway, I would like to make a larger point here.

You are entirely correct that dreams are Quantum.

I will argue that Paradox is a waking Quantum.

As are Zen Koans.

As is every damn word of the Tao.

They are all doorways, which,

As we walk through them,

We walk from the world of Newtonian denial

Into the Quantum/Shamanic.

You don't solve a Paradox or a Koan.

There is this "blinding, instantaneous flash"

And there you are on the other side.


Sound familiar?


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Postby john » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:37 pm

"Man is a marvellous curiosity. When he is at his very, very best he is sort of a low-grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm."

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Postby Ishtar » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:27 am

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Postby Ishtar » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:50 pm

KB, you really had me scratching my head there for a minute. I thought, "Does he mean Rumi?" and "Did Rumi die in France of sea sickness?" :lol:

But then I got the 'breakthrough' ... the intuitive flash. You mean Jim Morrison of the Doors, I think.

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Postby john » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:01 pm

"Man is a marvellous curiosity. When he is at his very, very best he is sort of a low-grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm."

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Postby Ishtar » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:06 pm

Aldous Huxley got the idea for the title Doors of Perception from William Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell.

"If the doors of perception were cleansed, every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern."




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Postby john » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:28 pm

"Man is a marvellous curiosity. When he is at his very, very best he is sort of a low-grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm."

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