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The Boat Post

The study of religious or heroic legends and tales. One constant rule of mythology is that whatever happens amongst the gods or other mythical beings was in one sense or another a reflection of events on earth. Recorded myths and legends, perhaps preserved in literature or folklore, have an immediate interest to archaeology in trying to unravel the nature and meaning of ancient events and traditions.

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Postby Ishtar » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:14 pm

So did Neanderthals ritually enter the quantum state and did they take drugs to do it?

Well, there is no absolute yes or no to either of those two questions, and maybe we’ll never know. But we can take some educated guesses and have some fun along the way.

This is the oldest piece of rock art yet discovered, dated to about 77,000 years ago and found in the Blombos Cave on the southern coast of Africa.


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As you can see, a regular pattern has been etched on the red ochre. The pattern is a combination of zig-zags and latticing, similar to the visual phenomena experienced at Stage One by the subjects in David Lewis Williams’ experiment.



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This study also showed that those taking drugs to reach the quantum usually skipped Stages One and Two, and went straight to Stage Three, thus missing out the geometric patterns like the ones on the red ochre from the Blombos Cave.

Obviously, we cannot base a whole hypothesis on such slender evidence. But add to that two facts, and things start to firm up a little more: 1) the kind of geometric zig-zag engraving seen on the Blombos artefact did go on feature in Neolithic ritual art, as shown at Catal Hoyuk, which according to its archaeologist, Hodder, was entirely given over to shamanic-type ritual.


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And 2) the larger brains of Neanderthal man, as discussed earlier, could have been the result of his having greater quantum activity than us, however he got there.

We see the same geometric patterns in Neolithic engravings from all over the world. Here’s an example from Newgrange in Ireland, where we see the swirling spirals of the vortex.



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So it is partly because of these geometric patterns occurring in rock art from the Palaeolithic and into the Neolithic that a fairly substantial school of thought has arisen that ancient man was in touch with quantum.

(There is much more about this subject, and many more examples of Palaeo and Neolithic cave art in this thread, In Search of the Palaeo Shaman: http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewt ... 31&start=0)

So the next question is: if Neanderthal man didn’t use drugs to get there, what other ways are there?

There are many: singing, dancing, drumming, prolonged darkness, hypnagogia ... all of these can help your brain to enter the quantum or shamanic experience once you have been initiated and have been taught what to do.

The Sami shamans in the Scandinavian Arctic Circle still today use a form of trance-inducing singing called yoiking:



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Siberian shamans use drums. Scientists have found that a steady beat of between four and seven seconds will send the brain into what they call the theta state.

http://www.toolsforwellness.com/brainstates.html



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Prolonged darkness is another great way into the quantum, and can be achieved over a period of days. Eliade tells us that Siberian apprentice shamans were kept in dark caves for nine months. It would have been easy to achieve such darkness in further northern climes where on some days, the sun barely makes it above the horizon.



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Neanderthal skeletons have been found as far north as Siberia.

Those examining the caves at Lascaux and Chauvet in the south of France that contain Neanderthal paintings have recently postulated that music of some kind was used. It appears that the paintings are situated where specific acoustic properties present themselves within the natural architecture of the caves.

So of course none pf this is even close to conclusive. But I guess in time, more evidence will begin to appear and, anyway, it’s fun to think about these things.

Further on into history, and the artists Salvador Dali and Rene Magritte would use hypnagogia as a means to enter the quantum. Hypnagogia involves remaining as long as possible in the half state between waking and sleep. Magritte would refer to his paintings as “the representations of half sleep.”



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The only thing I can’t work out is what Hieronymus Bosch was on. But it seems like he knew about the tunnel.



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Postby Ishtar » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:05 am

There’s something else quite vital to consider when discussing the cognition of ancient man. He lived in three worlds, not the one world we live in today. In fact, we've only very recently started to live in one world – those of us, that is, who have rejected the Christian three dimensional cosmological model.

So it’s worth pausing for just a couple of seconds to consider the implications of that in terms of the evolution of human thinking – and wondering whether it was a step too far, too fast. Can human cognition really 'evolve' that quickly on such a fundamental level and still be immune from Future Shock?

In rejecting the Christian model in its totality, the words ‘babies’ and ‘bathwater’ come to my mind.





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As far back into mythology as we can get, man lived in three worlds. The three worlds are found in the ancient cultures of Egypt, India, China, Greece and Mesopotamia, and they also made up the cosmologies of the primitive tribes of Asia, America and Africa.

To ancient man, this earth was in the middle of the three worlds – the others being the Upper World above and Lower World or Underworld below. Running through them all, at the centre, is a sacred mountain on whose summit live the gods.

In central Asia, this mountain was called Sumbur, Sumer or Sumur. In India, it was called Sumeru. In Greece, it was Mount Olympus. The Persians had Haraberezaiti (Elbruz). To the Germans (Teutonics) it was Himingbjorg; the Saxons had Irminusul (the universal column that sustains everything), the Norse had Asgard and the Chinese had Mount Khun-Lan.



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Then the Christian religion came along. The 4th century synods, possibly realising that they could not uproot an idea so deeply embedded in our psychologies, changed the three worlds into Heaven, Earth and Hell. In recent years, many have rejected this idea, not least because of our insistence on only recognising what we see through Newtonian blinkers. We quite correctly identified that the astronomers haven't found any angels with harps or a Devil presiding over a bubbling inferno in the four per cent of reality available to us.

But reconsider these three worlds – obviously without the heavenly harps and hellish pitchforks! – in the light of what we now know about the quantum. Perhaps then we can see how ancient man lived in a much more richly textured and multi-dimensional universe than we do today. And with his relationship to the gods (the spirits of the quantum, I believe) he felt supported and cared for within the greater scheme of things. He had context.

Today, we don’t give our young people any context. By insisting on only living within a Newtonian reality, we have gradually shut down all our options - and theirs - and cut ourselves off from the sort of diversity and richness of existence that we have evolved mentally to expect - and are designed for.

We live in a very flat world one, now – more flat than anyone experienced pre-Columbus. We perceive ourselves on this one layer floating in a huge dark cavern of a universe that we barely understand and in which we feel that we are alone – which is why we search so frantically for signs of life on other planets.



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We no longer know how to commune with our ancestors in the Underworld. So instead, we use our Newtonian tools to go off in search of the common ancestor.

We have moved from cyclical thinking to linear thinking. Man no longer sees himself as one with the great totality of all things. We just see ourselves walking a straight line, from a pointless birth to a pointless death.

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From a Newtonian perspective, we know exactly how small we are ... like a grain of sand that could be easily blown away. But because we've lost our quantum perpective, we also cannot see how huge and beautiful we are at the same time.

We tell our young people that they should be happy and grateful because of all the technological advancements we've made. We shower them with iPods, iTunes, iPhones, iMacs and iSkypes – because everything now is about i. That’s all there is for them – the i. They stand alone, i-solated, in the middle of nothingness. They have endless ways to communicate with one another, but nothing really to say.

No wonder so many of them feel so alienated.




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Time for a change ....




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Postby john » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:36 pm

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A musical journey into the quantum. Full screen, headphones - loud.

Life on Earth
Atom Heart Mother part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N89gb2KcdSc


Death
Atom Heart Mother part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-uxicHV6SI&NR=1


Dismemberment and Rememberment
Atom Heart Mother part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS7kZUs_u5c&NR=1


Resurrection

Atom Heart Mother part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zz-luq3JE8&NR=1


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Postby john » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:16 pm

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Postby john » Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:04 pm

"Man is a marvellous curiosity. When he is at his very, very best he is sort of a low-grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm."

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Postby kbs2244 » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:51 am

I would think for the parallel to hold true you would have to consider the entire solar system as the boat, not just the Sun.
Boats carry things.
The Sun, by itself, doesn’t.
But if you expand the scope to the Solar System, now you have planets, and their inhabitants, as cargo.
The Egyptian engraving seems to show the Sun leading a boat full of stuff rather than being the boat itself.
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Postby john » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:55 pm

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Why Tutenkamun doesn't have a beard

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