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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:57 pm
by seeker
is the notion that God is everything (and everyone). If you aren't saying we are all part of the same god and we aren't separate gods then what is your concept?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:43 pm
by Ishtar

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:53 pm
by seeker

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:15 am
by Ishtar
Seeker, have you got there yet ....?

I wasn't referring to pantheism because pantheism is a belief system for one thing, an intellectual idea. For another, it puts God first, as the creator of everything that is God. You may think the latter is just nuancing, but hear me out.

In my suggestion, one goes beyond intellectual constructs into a practical experience of a quantum reality. And then one finds that actually we are continually Generating Operating and Destroying, in a very real sense, our own material reality all the time. It's not a done deal with inert matter, but a continual living and breathing process with matter that is very much fluid and alive.

This is different to the abstract creator God of the pantheists, who puts everything in place and then goes away. It also goes beyond an intellectual idea. This is a very real experience of seeing the wave forms of material reality, which includes ourselves, and moulding them with our thoughts.

In certain ancient practises, particular words and symbols had power. This is because they knew that everything on a certain level which we might call 'quantum' is a fluid crystaline form, a matrix that is vibrating harmonically due to very precise and beautifully ordered mathematical equations. To know the mathematical equation of the vibrations would be to know the word or the symbol to change those forms and thus would give one tremendous power - the power to change one's reality, or the reality of one's tribe. That's why these magic power words are known as spells ... if you can spell the word, if you know the morphology of the word, then you have a spell that can change reality. This, I'm sure, was known to the magi (which is where the word 'magic' comes from) and it was the original meaning of "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God ...." before the Literalists got their hands on it.

To shamans, thoughts are the things (sub-atomic particles) that impact upon the flowing and fluid wavelike and crystaline forms of matter that make up our reality. This means any thought of anyone - not just a shaman - and in fact, it is why you end up with collective consciousness states, when a group of people decide upon a certain agreed reality, as we have all done in this world. But a certain agreed reality may only be about, I think scientists say, 4 per cent of all that there is. So by accessing the quantum, we are accessing the other 96 per cent of what we're missing, that is our birthright.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:35 am
by seeker

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:34 pm
by Ishtar

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:36 pm
by john

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:03 pm
by seeker

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:41 am
by Ishtar

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:48 am
by Grumpage

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:53 am
by Ishtar
Grumpage

I can understand that it looks like that. The perceived 'sudden breakdown' in this thread was, in fact, the culmination of a series of exchanges over a number of weeks in several threads in which the proverbial last straw was laid down in this one.




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