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Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

Postby Ishtar » Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:43 am

No, not many Ponsoby-Smythes in the IRA.

So if you went on to discover that the Proclamation of the Republic had been drafted by the Ponsoby-Smythes, what conclusion would that lead you to?
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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

Postby Digit » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:31 am

The IRA was founded by Protestants George, so who knows!

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

Postby Minimalist » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:10 pm

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

Postby Minimalist » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:44 am

There's a great little book called "Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman which looks at the diversity of early xtian positions on this point, Dig. Positions which were later stamped out and, to the greatest extent possible, eradicated by the group which he calls proto-orthodox. Once becoming the recognized authority they then went back and re-wrote history as if they had always been there.

I have an e-copy of it. If anyone wants a copy just drop me a PM with an email address.
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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

Postby Digit » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:08 am

Thanks Min, but I am aware of that fact, ta! I was waiting to see what George had to say as the early CX church did not consider J as divine. That took fire and sword!
Messiah means 'anointed one' George, in other words, 'King!'
That was J's 'crime,' a political one. Rome genarally was not interested in local religions, but when J claimed to be 'King,' then Rome's political machine swung into top gear.
He was executed as 'King of the Jews!' thus demonstrating that Rome was more powerful than any King!

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

Postby Minimalist » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:35 am

High Priests were anointed, too. In fact, in the Book XX of Antiquities of the Jews reference to "the one called Christ" virtually everyone mentioned in the entire paragraph except the two Roman procurators was a christos at one time or another.
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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

Postby Digit » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:29 am

True Min, but at no point does the OT or NT suggest that J was a member of the priestly hierachy.
In the NT he is asked who he is and is told he is the Mesiah, and he agrees. He was also of the kingly house. Hence 'King of the Jews.
If his crime had not been political the Romans would have left matters to the High priests etc.

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Re: Battle over what could be earliest Christian texts

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