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Postby Digit » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:05 am



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Postby Minimalist » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:56 am

I fixed it for you, Dig.

Bethlehem of "Galilee" would make more sense than Bethlehem of "Judaea."

Except it does not save the story because "Galilee" remained under the rule of Herod Antipas until 39 AD and he would not have been taking a Roman "census" in his kingdom.
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Postby Digit » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:35 pm

I could be totally wrong on this one Min, but I think for census purposes the birthplace of the father is what counted.
Women and children were of no account.
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Postby kbs2244 » Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:10 pm

There are some scriptural problems with his idea.

First, while Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth of Galilee at the time of conception according to Luke 1:26-38, Luke also tells us at Luke 2:4-7 the story of, after marring Mary, Joseph having to go to his birth place to register for the censes and hence Jesus being born in Bethlehem of Judea.

Secondly is Matt. 2:3-6 This the story of the “Wise Men.”
When Herod asked where the Messiah was to be born the Priests responded that it was expected it to be it Bethlehem of Judea based on their understanding of what we now call the “Old Testament” scripture.
The only scripture they had at the time.

BTW Two important things to note here:
First, Matthew doesn’t say how many there were,
Second, he says only “After Jesus had been born in Bethlehem,” not the same night that he had been born.
“From the East” most often means from Babylon. If they saw a new star on the night he was born, it would take them months to get their things together and travel from Babylon to Jerusalem. By this time the family would be back in Nazareth.

I do think there are a lot of problems with the traditional Christmas story.
The three biggest problems are:
First, The year is wrong. It was most likely in one BC.
Second, The time of year is wrong. It would be 6 months after his cousin John the Baptist was born, in the fall. At that time of year shepherds would still have sheep in pasture. By winter they would be penned up.
Third, The wise men didn’t get there until he was a couple of months old and they visited the family in Nazareth not in Bethlehem. Note that they didn’t go back the next day to Herod, as he requested, but followed the directions of their dream and slipped out of town quietly. And the number three is completely made up.
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Postby Digit » Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:33 pm

Based on these calculations I read somewhere that Jesus was a Virgoan and would have been born about September the 19th.
A mismatch of dates, places etc in no way invalidates an element of truth in stories so old.
An example is the number of English kings who were born circa something or other. Same with Muhammed, and all are much more recent in time.
There is evidence that Edward the fourth was conceived whilst the King was away campaigning, but dates etc were fiddled to fit.
As they say in Oz, the first child comes when it's ready, the rest take 9 months! :lol:
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Postby Minimalist » Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:23 pm

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Postby Digit » Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:05 pm

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Postby Minimalist » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:12 pm

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Postby Digit » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:49 am

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