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"Copper Scroll" of Dead Sea Scroll's archaeologica

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:11 pm
by popelane24
Hi there - just wondering. I've been reading a bit about the famed Copper Scroll, and the biggest question on my mind was what was the archaeological context it was found in? If it was somewhat hidden, maybe there is something to this, right? Couldn't stop thinking about it and I've been searching the net not finding anything.

Anybody know?

No worries btw guys... I know I post on crazy stuff but I remain skeptical on most things. Just letting you know.

Just curious - thanks to all who answer!


Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:39 am
by Minimalist

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:16 am
by Beagle ... roll.shtml
"In the fortress which is in the Vale of Achor, forty cubits under the steps entering to the east: a money chest and it [sic] contents, of a weight of seventeen talents." So begins the first column of the Copper Scroll, one of the most intriguing, and baffling, scrolls to be found among the collection known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Sounding like something out of an Indiana Jones movie, the text of the Copper Scroll (3Q15) describes vast amounts of buried treasure.
Click the image to view an enhanced version.

It was found in 1952 in Cave 3 at Khirbet Qumran on the shores of the Dead Sea, one of the few scrolls to be discovered in the place where it had lain for nearly 2,000 years. Most of what are called the "Dead Sea Scrolls" were found by Bedouin and sold through antiquities dealers, but this one was actually discovered by archaeologists--a rare occasion during those years. In ancient times the text of the document had been incised on thin sheets of copper which were then joined together. At the time it was found, however, the document was rolled into two separate scrolls of heavily oxidized copper which was far too brittle to unroll. For five years scholars and experts discussed ways of opening the scroll. Finally, they decided to cut the scroll into sections from the outside using a small saw. Working very carefully they cut the scroll into 23 strips, each one curved into a half-cylinder. Before it was cut, one scholar thought he saw words for silver and gold and suggested that the scroll was a list of buried treasure. Sure enough, when it was deciphered that scholar turned out to be right!

What about all that treasure? What is it? Has anyone found it? The answer to the last question is, no, at least that they are telling.

The treasure described in the Copper Scroll consists of vast quantities of gold and silver, as well as many coins and vessels. It is difficult to assess the value of what is described, since we are not sure what the weights in the scroll are actually equivalent to, but it was estimated in 1960 that the total would top $1,000,000 U.S.

With this great treasure list, you may ask, why isn't everyone out looking for the treasure? (And why hasn't Stephen Spielberg made a movie out of it?) The truth is, some people are looking for it, but it is not all that easy. To begin with, we do not know what all the words in the text mean. The text is in Hebrew, which is certainly a known language, but most ancient Hebrew texts that we have are religious in nature, and the Copper Scroll is anything but religious. Most of its vocabulary is simply not found in the Bible or anything else we have from ancient times.

Not only is the vocabulary of the scroll very technical, some of the geographical locations are unknown after so many years, many are too specific and some refer to places that no longer exist. Take some of the following examples:

"In the gutter which is in the bottom of the (rain-water) tank..."

"In the Second Enclosure, in the underground passage that looks east..."

"In the water conduit of [...] the north[ern] reservoir..."

There are those who have suggested that the treasure never actually existed, that the Copper Scroll is simply a work of fiction. Even if the treasure did exist, we do not know where it came from or who it belonged to. Some believe the scrolls refer to Temple treasure, hidden for safekeeping before the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 70 C.E. Others believe the treasure belonged to the sect that lived at Qumran, a sect usually identified with the Essenes, a Jewish group mentioned in the work of the Jewish historian Josephus, who wrote in the 1st century C.E. However, these are just educated guesses. Who the treasure belonged to, and what happened to it, we may never know.

Lane, here is the entire text of the url that Min posted. Pretty interesting. The article has a pic of the actual scroll.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:36 am
by Minimalist
There was a show on History International or something a while back in which they tried to trace some of these clues. So far, they have found nothing.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:56 am
by kbs2244
I thought it was generally accepted that the Knights Templar found it, used it as the base for their international banking empire, and eventually took it to Oak Island.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:19 pm
by Minimalist
I don't think much about the Templars is "generally accepted."

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:49 am
by kbs2244
Not to highjack the post.
(But his question was such a slow and low pitch, I could not resist.)
However, when you can get someone infallible as a Pope to say
“I’m sorry. I made a mistake.”
you got to have a good lawyer.

Daily Telegraph, "Vatican paper set to clear Knights Templar", 5 October 2007. ... can105.xml

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:59 am
by Beagle
“I’m sorry. I made a mistake.”
you got to have a good lawyer.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:08 am
by Minimalist
Prof Frale said: "I could not believe it when I found it. The paper was put in the wrong archive in the 17th century."

Looks like they needed a Holy Shredder.