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Melanesians unrelated to Micronesians/Polynesians

Post by Rokcet Scientist » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:31 am

NYT:
Pacific Islanders’ Ancestry Emerges in Genetic Study

Published: January 18, 2008

The ancestral relationships of people living in the widely scattered islands of the Pacific Ocean, long a puzzle to anthropologists, may have been solved by a new genetic study, researchers reported Thursday.

In an analysis of the DNA of 1,000 individuals from 41 Pacific populations, an international team of scientists found strong evidence showing that Polynesians and Micronesians in the central and eastern islands had almost no genetic relationship to Melanesians, in the western islands like Papua New Guinea and the Bismarck and Solomons archipelagos.

The researchers also concluded that the genetic data showed that [...]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/world ... ref=slogin (reg. required).

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Post by Barracuda » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:19 pm

Here is a link to another story about this on Nat Geo:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... aiwan.html

And here is a quote that I find particularly interesting, and thought provoking:
He pointed out that the mitochondrial DNA evidence—which is passed down from females—tends to support the express-train theory. But the Y-chromosome, or male, evidence supports a slow-boat process, he said.

This suggests something interesting is going on, perhaps with different male and female migration patterns, which we see in other regions of the world," he said.


This makes a lot of sense to me. Initial explorations into unknown areas are very dangerous, and mostly men only.

OK, guys, let's be honest.

If there are friendly women on the new island, maybe the boys don't go back for the wife and kids, but if there are no women, or they are not friendly, or have big, bad, dangerous boyfriends, maybe the new guys go back home to hook up and bring the women back to the new island.

Mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome DNA are likely to leave two very different trails.


Could this relate to the genetic evidence about the relationship between between Neanderthal and HSS?

The Mitochondrial DNA evidence doesn't show interbreeding on the maternal side. What is there where just a one way relationship? What is HSS did not willingly mate with Neandethal, but Neandethal males would force HSS to have sex if they could. (OK, OK, Clan of the Cave Bear)

There would be no Male HSS and female Neandethal interbreeeding, only male neandethal and female HSS interbreeding, so no record on the

Does this make any sense?

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Post by kbs2244 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:33 pm

So, you are saying that the male HSS were not all that turned on by the femals Neandethal's
But the female HSS kinda went for the brutish male Neanderthal's?

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Post by Minimalist » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:32 pm

Just like women and rock stars!
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Post by Barracuda » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:34 pm

Trust me, they just can't resist bad boys

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Post by Ishtar » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:46 pm

kbs2244 wrote:So, you are saying that the male HSS were not all that turned on by the femals Neandethal's
But the female HSS kinda went for the brutish male Neanderthal's?
Nothing new there then! :lol:

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Post by Rokcet Scientist » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:45 am

Riddle solved: Homo Neanderthal is still among us. Today they are rockstars, linebackers, and presidents!

LOL!

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Post by Sam Salmon » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:23 pm

To get this back OT-anyone who's ever visited a Melanesian country could tell you that Polynesians and Melanesians aren't in any way related (haven't been to Micronesia).

People are very, very different in attitudes and beliefs not just looks.

Fiji is interesting in this regard because of the mixing that's occurred over the centuries-still classified by many as Melanesian but definitely some strong Polynesian cultural traits.

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Post by Beagle » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:57 pm

Whoops - thanks Sam.
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Post by Sam Salmon » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:58 am

Wrong thread Beag you wanted to post on http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?t=1453

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