Searching for Mabila

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E.P. Grondine

Re: Searching for Mabila

Post by E.P. Grondine » Mon May 06, 2013 8:47 am

A good example of the proper use of metal detectors by professionals:

"Surviving records from the Revolution gave general landmarks but no precise location for Carr's Fort. Elliott last year won a $68,500 grant from the National Park Service's American Battlefields Protection Program to attempt to find the fort's remains."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/05/05/ ... rylink=cpy

E.P. Grondine

Re: Searching for Mabila

Post by E.P. Grondine » Tue May 07, 2013 6:21 pm

At least some more parts of the Choctaw migration history appear to still exist:

http://books.google.com/books?id=d_BXDO ... on&f=false

page 31 et seq.

Galloway's hypothesis of direct Mississippian descent for the Mushkogean peoples conveniently ignores the fact that the Mushkogean peoples' traditional histories agreed in the details of their migrations. She also ignores the disruptions at SW and SE Mississippian sites, as well as the conflicts which existed at the time of European contact, including the time of the DeSoto entrada.

IMO, Galloway mistook assimilation, a process common among Native Americans, for direct descent, due to her European bias.

For a poor and seriously flawed attempt at this reconciliation, see:
http://www.itslt.org/swantons_creek_stories.doc

For the correct lock to the physical record, including the eruption of Sunset Volcano, see "Man and Impact in the Americas", including the correction sheet on the Three Rivers Petroglyph site.

E.P. Grondine

Re: Searching for Mabila

Post by E.P. Grondine » Thu May 09, 2013 11:56 am

A few final comments -

In the US, tree ring dating is seldom used or available. Thus studies rely on 14C dating, of varying quality. Given this current constraint, about the only way to see patterns in site occupation is to cross state lines. But archaeological funding is usually infra-state, leading to this technique seldom being used.

In ethnology, there is a lot of very poor work done. "Traditional" histories are seldom intensively ssourced, and never reconciled with either each other, the archaeological record, or contact era histories. Thus in the case of the DeSoto chronicles, where they are fragmentary and biased, attempts at reconciliation have been limited, and so the search for Mabila has sufferd under these limitations as well .

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Re: Searching for Mabila

Post by Nacon » Fri May 10, 2013 4:13 pm

E.P. Grondine wrote:A few final comments -

In the US, tree ring dating is seldom used or available. Thus studies rely on 14C dating, of varying quality. Given this current constraint, about the only way to see patterns in site occupation is to cross state lines. But archaeological funding is usually infra-state, leading to this technique seldom being used.

In ethnology, there is a lot of very poor work done. "Traditional" histories are seldom intensively ssourced, and never reconciled with either each other, the archaeological record, or contact era histories. Thus in the case of the DeSoto chronicles, where they are fragmentary and biased, attempts at reconciliation have been limited, and so the search for Mabila has sufferd under these limitations as well .


You may find the following data base for dendrochonological research to be of value. The University of Arizona sites may be of particular interest. Also bear in mind that dendrochronology forms one of the bases of radiocarbon calibration. You may also wish to reference INTCAL 2009 (Reimers et al).

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/treering.html

There is also a lab in Wisconsin that does dendro dating.

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uniface

Re: Searching for Mabila

Post by uniface » Fri May 10, 2013 7:29 pm

You would need a dendro sequence of the area at issue.

E.P. Grondine

Re: Searching for Mabila

Post by E.P. Grondine » Fri May 10, 2013 9:41 pm

Hi nacom, uniface -

Thanks, but

As impacts show up in the tree ring data, I met several of the people working with them many years ago. That is the only reason I am aware of the lack of excavated tree ring dates in this area.

I am not running excavations anywhwere, but perhaps your notes may be useful to anyone who stumbles in here later on.

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