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The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:25 am

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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:24 pm

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A reminder as to how limited the sample size was.
Taking and preparing samples is quite expensive;
We'll see if the Hunaboo account above is confirmed by sample densities, and if it leads to impact structures.
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:36 pm

Image

I do not know Hancock's source for this image, but note again the TWO temperature effects.
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby Tiompan » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:41 am

The source of the graphic is global warming sceptic Prof. Don J. Easterbrook, from an article in
the alt “news” outlet Global research .
http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-coo ... here/10783

Obviously it shows the impact of the YD centering on Greenland and derived from ice cores from various sites including the highest points in the mountains in the centre of that country .
The impact there was quite different from that of Asia Minor / Anatolia . E.g. , Gobekli Tepe is nearly 6,000 Km from Greenland , it is over 2000m lower in altitude from the Summit site that produced the data in and is approx 40 degrees nearer the equator . At the most basic level “Plotting Younger Dryas temperature and climate anomalies against latitude shows that climate anomalies increased in magnitude toward the poles “ from “The Younger Dryas Climate Event” A.E.Carlson in the Encyclopedia of Quaternary Science .
As has been mentioned here previously ,
(see
"Change and Stability in an uncertain environment:Foraging strategies in the Levant from the early Natufian to PPNB " :Arlene Rosen .
Small game , the Younger Dryas ,and the transition to agriculture in the southern levant :Natalie Munro .
The role of the younger dryas in the origin of agriculture in west Asia :Offer Bar-Yosef . ) the impact of the YD in Anatolia was nothing like that of Greenland , there is even ample evidence from burial remains from the period and they show no signs of nutritional deficiencies infectious diseases or even trauma .
Fringe attempts to connect GT to the YD are pathetic and those that do make life more difficult for themselves by providing errors elsewhere in their efforts that make the job of refuting that much simpler . The recent Sweatman /Edinburgh Uni effort is a fine example .
Look at the dates for the end of the YD on the graphic and compare with the date of build of GT .
The end of the YD was approx 11,500 BP /9500 BC
The oldest reliable date from GT is 9314 BC . GT was built after the end YD event in an area where it had much less impact than further north and west .
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby Tiompan » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:21 am

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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:22 am

Well, tiompan, when you work out the causes of those "anomalies", get back to me.
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby Tiompan » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:50 am

The only one who is confused is yourself EP .
The use of the term impact in relation to changes in climate during the YD makes perfect sense .
I'll wait and see what the archaeologists discover at the site . I don't see why I should give any heed to your beliefs about what may be found at GT .
These beliefs are no different to your interpretations of the plaques .
Neither are based on any knowledge of the subject matters and like all ill informed interpretations tell us more about you than the subject


There was no"global climate collapse at 10,850 BCE.". Again for the umpteenth time , the impact of the YD was not uniform across the globe .


What analysis ?
If you have a problem with anything that was said provide a quote then refute it .
GT is 250km from the nearest sea , any one living there would not be "nearby" .
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby Tiompan » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:55 am

I'll leave the "working out " of the causes of the anomalies to those that are likely to know about the subject .
It's a waste of time and space to tell those with an agenda , as the reality just doesn't intrude .
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:04 pm

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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:49 pm

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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby Tiompan » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:30 am

No ,as is so often the case , the confusion is all yours EP . You simply don't understand the meaning of impact .

You posted a link to the Hancock image obviously related to the Younger Dryas (the term is used twice in the graphic ), I pointed out the source , and that it was what I am talking about . If you can see anything wrong in my comments about the YD quote then refute .

EP wrote “A few more plaques will likely clear a lot of things up.“
Again , it will only provide more ill informed over interpretation .As you have been told many times , anyone can play game of providing a “meaning” for symbols . Relatively well versed art historians get it wrong when attempting to interpret material from their own period , culture, language and artistic traditions and access to the artists . What hope has someone with no knowledge of the rock art symbols of the time and place ,or the archaeology , living 10k yrs later , complete with an agenda and an over active imagination getting it right ?
“It happens all the time the most common motifs in rock art from all periods and in all parts of the world get over interpreted by those with little knowledge of rock art but do have an agenda .The over interpretations suits suit their interests whilst ignoring that bias ,context , the corpus , ethnography and what serious researchers have to say . Most researchers just shrug their shoulders and ignore the fantasies . “


You said “the effects of rising sea levels on people living in nearby marine environments. “that is nothing to do with the flint trade or travel . The nearest sea to GT was 250 km you didn't provide any data for the rise ,neither a date nor the change in height , then you dreamt it would have some effect on GT .

EP wrote “I also do not use the word "believe", and I restrict its use to religious contexts.”
Not only do you have a problem understanding the use of impact you have a similar problem with “believe” . Your restriction on use has no bearing on the meaning or how others use the word .
I used the word in relation to your views on what might be found at GT and your ill informed over interpretation re. the plaques .
Look at the definition :1)accept that (something) is true, especially without proof. 2)hold (something) as an opinion; think. Believe and think are inextricably linked including in a non religious sense .
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby Tiompan » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:39 am

It has been obvious here that the exchange has been a complete waste of time .
Any knowledge , no matter how limited , of recent comet and asteroid impacts does not translate into an understanding of prehistory , archaeoastonomy , rock art , GT etc .i.e. what is being discussed here .
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby E.P. Grondine » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:09 am

good morning, Captain Oblivious.

It appears to have escaped your notice
that this thread deals with an entirely different topic than GT.
That is pretty much par for you.

But I will concede that it does deal with the same planet.

I must be doing something very right
to receive so many insults from you.
You know, you could but my book "Man and Impact in the Americas",
and insult me on Amazon.
But you'd have to use your real name in full.

I am pretty use to this kind of behavior by now,
and know full well that it goes with the territory.
But I do wonder how Darwin handled this kind of crap,
hefted at hims by other shit slinging chimps.

Thanks for your input.

PS - The nice thing about footnotes is that you can always blame your mistakes on others.
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Re: The timing of the rise in sea levels, part 2

Postby Tiompan » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:06 am

You are off again .Evasion and failure to highlight problems with quotes and refutation .
It is tiresome wastes time and space and invites calls for a halt or deletion , maybe that is what you want ,removal of the embarrassing comments .
The evasion this time was about your confusion re. the definition and use of " impact "and "belief" ,
the fact that my mention of the YD was directly related to the graphic you supplied which highlighted the term , the mistaken belief in a "global climate collapse at 10,850 BCE." and the constantly avoided problems about over interpretation or any ill informed interpretation .

These problems were supported by quotes and data .
These are not baseless insults , they are facts highlighting your errors .

In response all we get is insults , or hilarious comparisons with Darwin but no quotes or data .
Btw , Darwin could deal with data .
What is the next comparison ? , the alt crowd usually choose Galileo or Einstein , whilst readers have their own more accurate versions .
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