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Problematic Discoveries

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Springhead » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:40 pm

Shawomet,

You will be relieved to hear that the possible artifact you mention and show is not one Jack analyzed as "provable Pleistocene," though a good number of the rocks posted on the Rock Art Museum site were. Jack did state that he was not sure about the piece but that I should hang on to it.

Here we go on the mental illness bit. Do you classify all your peers this way unless you happen to agree with them? You have opined "mistaken" and "wrong" relative to the purported artifacts on this thread, terms of disagreement expressed a little more reasonably.

The age of these pieces is unknown, but is it too much of a stretch to think that environmental conditions may be a contributory factor in the condition of the rocks? I have read many references about the difficulty of seeing clear signs of knapping and other work techniques due to the age of given pieces. I would ask that you consider that possibility as well as acknowledging that this thread's assemblage may differ from many artifacts of the Holocene as they are core and blade techniques. All examples of this assemblage incorporate art into the intentional work.

P.S. The "Mayan" artifacts you refer to are from a megalithic culture from southern Colombia at the source of the Magdelena River at a place called San Agustin.

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Springhead » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:03 pm

Hi Circumspice,

This is the only forum I am a member of or have posted on. I never expected concurrence with my conjectures, but I did hope that a few folks would consider the possibility that the assemblage was real. I suppose you suggest there is concurrence on this forum, perhaps akin to the E.P./Simon21 duel?

Renee and Chris White, as a correction to your lacking research, initially had the idea of a sanctuary site and in preparing the ground to construct a stone circle found an existing one. I do not know them, but they certainly do not deserve your denigration. I fail to see how their activity involves greed.

Que triste your B.S. meter is pegged! My suggestion (to accommodate the state of belief and disbelief) would be to recalibrate or find a bigger meter. Your foregone conclusions, pushed story lines, and insulting style certainly require one to shop for the largest B.S. meter currently available to even get a handle on the load.

I do agree that if it's too good to be true....................

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby circumspice » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:38 pm

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Springhead » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:30 pm

Hi Circumspice,

Fraud may be viewed as a serious charge, and you have spent much verbal capital denigrating conspiracy theories with the caveat, apparently, that these comments do not apply to you. Before one starts yelling "fire," one might look again to see if the smoke is in fact super heated hot air modified vocally.

That an amateur like myself making conjectures about found objects similar to other finds in the geographic area is perpetrating fraud along with others finding the same and each party independently contacting an archaeologist who has made himself available to help explain this unknown human endeavor which he is investigating is absurd and sensationalistic. None of the mentioned parties knew one another until the inquiries were made to Jack Hranicky. There are seven sites now, I believe, so I guess your conspiracy to commit fraud involves more perps.

Unknown human activity on the planet could far outweigh the known stuff. Should we just wrap it up where we are? You complain about the lack of professional conduct and the like when finders are run of the mill folks who are not career academics. I personally am elated that I lack credentials, for in the quest to gain those credentials, I feel that the free thinking held dear would suffer defeat at the hands of orthodoxy.

I wonder who will win the most recent chest bumping contest over there in the Old World. I have always been told that working together we can do anything. This forum is a tool and not an arena.

Thanks for your comments and sorry about the late response.......hurricane here.
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Re: Problematic Discoveries

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Springhead » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:22 am

Hello Circumspice,

Thanks for the link to the interesting article. Mellaart was a tragic figure despite his talents. Was his ego the problem, perhaps mental illness, or just succumbing to professional pressure to perform? Archaeology certainly took a hit with spoiled information about the site in question. I assume this is more implication of the massive fraud perpetrated by certain laymen and a professional to overturn the apple cart. Who has time for this stuff? Why would folks cheat themselves with such activities in such a limited format? I would think a good scam would be driven forward with more drama and louder arguments on some social media platform. Where is the return?
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Re: Problematic Discoveries

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

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