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Have mainstream scholars studied New England's megaliths?

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Have mainstream scholars studied New England's megaliths?

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Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:51 pm

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Postby Tiompan » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:01 pm

[quote="E.P. Grondine"]

There re a lot of "archaeo-astronomical" claims made.
Very few are reliable, as they often do not take into account the differences in the ancient sky from the modern sky.
Often times they will use European constellations as well.

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Any one who does not take into consideration the sky as it appeared in the period associated with a putative astronomical alignment is not an archaeoastronomer .
That said , the alignment referred to was a solar one i.e. Winter solstice sunrise . The change in degrees from the present to ,say 4,000 years ago is less than degree ,
which is also less than the likely accuracy of any "alignment" associated with the monumnet in question .
Simply , the impact of precession over a period of 4,000 years ,whilst important when related to stars , constellations etc is comparatively minimal when considering the sun and moon ,
and well within the range of expected error /accuracy for an alignment assocciated with type of monument .
Not that it matters , as they are almost certainly not 4,000 years old .
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Postby Tiompan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:42 am

Thanks Rako ,
It is odd that there is no info on that “holey stone” . I searched too and found nothing . If they have got the correct state then it doesn’t look good for anything much older than a few decades , surely if that stone was known about it would have been mentioned , regardless of when it was erected

The Dutch had settled the area 40 years before the Pynchon letter was written and it may not even refer to the any of the sites “, 'at or neare Pequot' could have been referring to anywhere east of the Thames River, and from the sound; north to Lantern Hill and Long Pond. This area would represent where the Pequot settlement was, in the early 1600's (McBride, 1990). “

The more I look at these sites the more they look like relatively recent i.e. a few hundred years at most . And those wishing them to be much older seem to be grasping at at anything that will convince , geomancy , astronomy etc . whilst ignoring the more likely mundane explanations .
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Postby Tiompan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:45 am

The English were in the area before the letter .
“Allying themselves with the Mohegan and Narragansett, the colonists attacked a Pequot village on the Mystic River (near present-day New London) in May 1637. Encircling their foes under the cover of night, the colonists set the Indian dwellings ablaze, then shot the natives as they fled from their homes. “
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h580.html
But if the letter is not even referring to the the sites at Gungywamp ,then that is even more problematic . “, 'at or neare Pequot' could have been referring to anywhere east of the Thames River, and from the sound; north to Lantern Hill and Long Pond. This area would represent where the Pequot settlement was, in the early 1600's (McBride, 1990). “
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Postby Tiompan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:59 am

Yes , no doubt about the erratic .

The line of stones with a meander / stone "row" has not been dated and looks like it could have been erected any time in the past few centuries . Lots of drawings of the "petroglyph " and the one pic I could find is not convincing , and again even if it was it could have been done any time .

The "cairns" are not what I would describe as cairns , much more like clearance .
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Postby Tiompan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:25 pm

[quote="rako"]If the site near Pequot was English made in the period 1635 or later when the English came, it seems the English should have known the settlement in 1654 as one of their own. The letter about what its author considered to be a strange stone fort in the region is just one of several clues about the site whose status in that time (1654) has not been established yet other to say that it likely had an Indian presence.[quote]

But we don't know that Pynchon is referring to the same site . As McBride points out ", 'at or neare Pequot' could have been referring to anywhere east of the Thames River, and from the sound; north to Lantern Hill and Long Pond. ".
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