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Have mainstream scholars studied New England's megaliths?

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Re: Have mainstream scholars studied New England's megaliths

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Postby Tiompan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:00 pm

There is no shortage of genuine Amerindian petroglyphs .

Note how there is nothing like these at Gungywump .
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Postby Tiompan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:11 pm

But none of the "facts " are evidence for Amerindians having built the the structures or provides a date for them .
Looks like the author isn't too impressed with the letter either .
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Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:06 pm

Hi Rako

I enjoyed the map of the distribution of nations which you posted, but it is post contact.

The best place to start is most likely with this article:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/n ... 14481/?all

Now to start off with few notes on general apparat:
There were no "Mounbdbuilders" as one distinct people.
Different peoples used earth as a construction material to build structures for a variety of different purposes.
"mounds" are the ruins of those structures after the passage of a time of abandonment or being driven away.
There were no "Adena" people; Adena is the name of a material culture.
Based on the physical evidence, the people who produced those material remains were Andaaste.
The were no "Hopewell" people; the term is generally used to refer to the material cultures of a number of peoples,
in very different and widely separated regions,
who adopted a general form of tribal alliance and laws of diplomatic interaction.

I do not know if your statement about solar alignments is correct.
I leave astronomical analysis to my colleague Fletcher Wilson, who is one of Ohio's best naked eye astronomers.

The R Y haplogoup allele distribution is interesting, but probably useless, based on Hardachre's Observation.
In Europe it has been found that mt DNA is about the only useful genetic diagnostic at this point of time in the development of genetic studies.

As far as any pattern in R Y distribution goes, if you place the Americas on the right side of your map of it,
and then remember that the Thule people pretty well died off at the time of Viking contact,
to be replaced by Inuit (as near as I remember),
then the northern distribution may make sense, but not the sub-Saharan African distribution.
IN general keep in mind that ANY proposed genetic evidence must be consistent with the archaeological evidence.

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South America is quite a far distance from New England. It's hard to use that as a way to match up artifacts found in Northern US or Canadian sites.
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The "Solutrean " artifacts in question were found on the floor of the Chesapeake Bay, not in New England.
Yes, but we now know that man was using boats quite early, and can pretty well show that Clovis technologies
came from South America to the Gulf Coast of North America.

I'm not going to go into the differences between European dolmens and North American glacial eratics,
other than to note that there are a lot of nuts out there who try to build imaginary pre-Columbian European empires in the Americas.

Copper came from 4 sources:
First, Lake Superior,
Second, float copper from the mid-continent which was deposited there from Lake Superior by glaciers,
Third, Copper Hill North Carolina,
Fourth, a small deposit in the SE US, which I am not going to speak of.
I will simply point out that with the advent of metal detectors,
one of the finest collections of Old Copper Culture artifacts is in the hands of a private collector.

Rako, you have to remember that the money for archaeological work in North America is in general very very limited.
The colonists only interest in the native peoples was how to use them for profit,
get their lands,
and get rid of them.
The racism persists to this day,
as literal genocide is followed by cultural genocide.

The first researchers' interest was mainly in how to make the native peoples fit into a literal interpretation of the Bible.

A few argued that the natives were people, and deserved to be treated as such.

Then came nuts of other religious varieties.
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Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:21 am

HI Rako -

Well, it is good to know that better archaeology was done at that site.

But all of this is far from my interests.
If you find any indication of impact phenomena,
be sure let me know.

Based on what evidence of impact tsunami has been recovered so far by archaeology,
I expect evidence for a major one from coastal sites may be found about 1,000 BCE.
See the end date for Canadian Red Paint.

Remember that the US and Canada did not exist in the ancient past,
and the division of archaeological reports by modern governmental boundaries
meant/means nothing to native peoples.

Since there is now a Center for New England Archaeology,
I suppose that someday they'll have at least the basic occupational sequence
sorted out.
But be sure to read my note on very very limited funding.

You may enjoy spending your time trying to sot it all out as well.

But all in all, I' myself would rather by toweling through tsunami deposits on Crete.
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Re: Have mainstream scholars studied New England's megaliths

Postby Ernie L » Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:40 pm

The holed stone of lancaster NH reminds me of the well cover stones I have seen. I live in rural New England. http://oldwoodworkshop.com/salvaged_antique_stone.htm

hmm that link didn't last long..try this one http://www.oldenewenglandsalvage.com/st ... ne148.html
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