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Post by stan » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:03 am

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The reason I mentioned sceptical geologists is that i thought I recalled geologists questioning the finds from the calico dig. BUt maybe they weren't geologists...

anyway, someone was saying that the nicked edges could have been caused by natural processes as well as human activity.

Sounds like y'all think that paleontologists and geologists are more open minded than the archeologicial establishment?
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Post by DougWeller » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:32 am

I think what the archaeologists would like to see is some sort of cultural context. That would tilt the balance towards accepting the site.

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Post by War Arrow » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:41 pm

I was going to say something along the lines of "these look like they could just be rocks, although obviously a judgement made from a photo isn't going to be so reliable as one from holding the thing in your hand." Then I was going to wonder aloud about the possibility of making comparisons with random rocks from sites of similar geological make-up where there seems to be little or no likelihood of human habitation - just to see how likely it might be that chance elements could have produced your finds.

However, seeing those projectile points suggests I'd probably be better off keeping my mouth shut.

Very impressive. At least from where I'm sitting.
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Post by DougWeller » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:40 pm

Over at The Hall of Ma'at, in a discussion on this issue Chris Hardaker has just said "my book on the subject should be out by late Spring called The First American. " (As part of a longer post on the issue).

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Post by Beagle » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:33 pm

DougWeller wrote:Over at The Hall of Ma'at, in a discussion on this issue Chris Hardaker has just said "my book on the subject should be out by late Spring called The First American. " (As part of a longer post on the issue).

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Good luck to him. It's a hot topic right now, and as you know we've been talking pre-clovis issues for quite a while here.

Several of our posters live near these sites and are able to go study them and search firsthand. I'm pretty jealous. :)

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Post by Cognito » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:19 pm

[quote]I was going to say something along the lines of "these look like they could just be rocks, although obviously a judgement made from a photo isn't going to be so reliable as one from holding the thing in your hand."/[quote]
That's what a few arch's will say about the Calico site tools. However, sit down with any flint-knapper and they'll tell you how the tools were made and that nature cannot create half a dozen or more percussion strikes on each side of a bifacial hand-axe, etc. Here's an interesting example. Note the notch at top for the thumb and the two angled notches for fingers. Gives a better grip and, by the way, the user was left handed:
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Post by stan » Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:58 pm

That guy had a substantial tool.
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Post by Cognito » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:19 pm

Hey, Patrick. Any chance of getting a close up of the flake channels? It hard to see them in the current image. Is that a new find?
Charlie, I'll see what I can do with the lighting to get a better view of the flake channels. This one was found on 1 Jan 2006. Here's how to hold it, it only fits properly in the left hand:
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Post by Beagle » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:26 pm

Sounds good Charlie - maybe I'll learn the difference. :)

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