Did Helike inspire Plato's Atlantis?

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Post by Ishtar » Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:33 pm

I notice that Egypt comes up a lot in your list, Cogs.

Professor Santos and Madame Blavatsky both say that many of those who survived the cataclysm ended up in Egypt.

US researcher, Bill Lauritzen says the Destruction of Mankind story in the Pyramid Texts is very similar to the story of Atlantis.

Anyway, Santos says they built pyramids and that they used, in places, bricks coloured red, white and black which, he says, were the colours of the Atlantis. He says those survivors who went to South America built the ziggurats using those same colours.

I don't know if any of this is true, but maybe someone can confirm about the colours?
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Post by Ishtar » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:21 am

The Destruction of Mankind story comes from the Book of the Heavenly Cow which is on the walls of the tomb of Seti I. Interestingly, the destruction is by fire (not water). I think the Eye of Hathar must mean the sun, as in Indian mythology the Eye of Mithras is also a name for the sun. Santos says they saw a volcanic explosion of fireballs as being caused by the sun – the sun itself being a fireball, I suppose.
The legend takes us back to the time when the gods of Egypt went about in the country, and mingled with men and were thoroughly acquainted with their desires and needs. The king who reigned over Egypt was Ra, the Sun-god, who was not, however, the first of the Dynasty of Gods who ruled the land. His predecessor on the throne was Hephaistos, who, according to Manetho, reigned 9000 years, whilst Ra reigned only 992 years; Panodorus makes his reign to have lasted less than 100 years.

Be this as it may, it seems that the "self-created and self-begotten" god Ra had been ruling over mankind for a very long time, for his subjects were murmuring against him, and they were complaining that he was old, that his bones were like silver, his body like gold, and his hair like lapis-lazuli. When Ra heard these murmurings he ordered his bodyguard to summon all the gods who had been with him in the primeval World-ocean, and to bid them privately to assemble in the Great House, which can be no other than the famous temple of Heliopolis. This statement is interesting, for it proves that the legend is of Heliopolitan origin, like the cult of Ra itself, and that it does not belong, at least in so far as it applies to Ra, to the Predynastic Period.*

When Ra entered the Great Temple, the gods made obeisance to him, and took up their positions on each side of him, and informed him that they awaited his words. Addressing Nu, the personification of the World-ocean, Ra bade them to take notice of the fact that the men and women whom his Eye had created were murmuring against him. He then asked them to consider the matter and to devise a plan of action for him, for he was unwilling to slay the rebels without hearing what his gods had to say. In reply the gods advised Ra to send forth his Eye to destroy the blasphemers, for there was no eye on earth that could resist it, especially when it took the form of the goddess Hathor. Ra accepted their advice and sent forth his Eye in the form of Hathor to destroy them …
There’s more if you want to read the whole thing: http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg05.htm

This is from Wiki:

* Menmaatre Seti I (also called Sethos I after the Greeks) was a Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt (Nineteenth dynasty of Egypt), the son of Ramesses I and Queen Sitre, and the father of Ramesses II. As with all dates in Ancient Egypt, the actual dates of his reign are unclear, and various historians claim different dates, with 1294 BC – 1279 BC[3] and 1290 BC to 1279 BC[4] being the most commonly used by scholars today.

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Post by Rokcet Scientist » Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:13 am

Minimalist wrote:Oddly enough, I have found a translation of Dionysius' writing. Unfortunately, it is in Google Books and can't be cut and pasted.

http://tinyurl.com/53t5gz
But it can be screen shot:

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Post by Interested Onlooker » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:09 pm

From the Timaeus:

Quote:
For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia.

I've read that "larger than Libya and Asia" could have been a wrong translation and suggested that it should read "between Libya and Asia." This would make Santorini a likely suspect.

Besides, if Atlantis was larger than Libya and Asia, it would seem that they would have found some evidence of it's existance by now.[/quote]

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Post by Minimalist » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:53 pm

But it can be screen shot:

Well done, R/S.


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