Roman DNA

[Simon21]

Then we have this superbb example of the mapmakes art courtesy La Grondine and some dubious friend


Made by someone called the Cid (El Sayaidi)this image seems to show a huge spider originating in the Caucasus spinning a web around western Europe

Or a disastorous plan for a pan European metro system in which the planners got very drunk. Note how Greece entirely misses out while a branch lne ends up in Saudi - most unfair.

[Simon21]

As said earlier the fifth and sixth centuries are some of the most obscure of British history. And have been infected by cranks, many of whom claim this to be the era of the once and future king.

But is there independent evidence for any of this? Apparently there is!

[Simon21]

A very interesting piece on the modern fascistic tendency ro try and resurrect racial theory and apply it to the past as regards the Anglo Saxons:

https://theconversation.com/why-the-ide ... myth-88272

Of course part of the issue is the question of what one means by "common" - the same, similar, sort of similar more similar then others.

The author does well to remoind us of the grotesque shrieking from the armchair stormtroopers when Prof Beard pointed out that Roman Britain is more than likely to have black people in its army and population arabs and jews too.

No more hideous example of this can be found that the in the Third Reich where false jewellery was actually manufactured and "found" to try to give some grounds to noxious ideas of teutonic superiority and "other" inferiority.

The surprising thing is that this is self evidently rubbish for example the Third Reich accepted the existence of France though it regarded the country and its people as inferiors. Yet forgot France gets its very name from a German people as does England of course. Clovis being the very epitome of a teutonic king.

So we are talking acculturlisation here not stupid racial theory. Why people adopt different cultures whole heartedly - whatever their skin colour, length of nose, where they were born etc.

Perhaps we could find the descendants of that US Seargeant who taught the German High Command better courses in that Nuremburg Gymnasium. We may need them.

[Simon21]

Why we may dismiss the Life of St Columba as a source for the Anglo Saxon Adventus and acculturisation.

Here is an extract taken from a translation of the Adomnan life wirtten long after the death of the Saint:

When returning from the country of the Picts, where he had been for some days, he hoisted his sail when the breeze was against him to confound the Druids, and made as rapid a voyage as if the wind had been favourable. On other occasions, also, contrary winds were at his prayers changed into fair. In that same country, he took a white stone from the river, and blessed it for the working of certain cures, and that stone, contrary to nature, floated like an apple when placed in water. This divine miracle was wrought in the presence of King Brude and his household. In the same country, also, he performed a still greater miracle, by raising to life the dead child of an humble believer, and restoring him in life and vigour to his father and mother. At another time, while the blessed man was yet a young deacon in Hibernia, residing with the holy bishop Findbarr, the wine required for the sacred mysteries failed, and he changed by his prayer pure water into true wine.

It should be obvious to a 10 year old that, as was conventional the Saint's deeds are mirroring those of Christ's. This is to beef up the reputation of the Saint, and hence the monastery which he founded and lived in. This is one of the reasons it is not used as a source for the Anglo-Saxon acculturalisation of Britain, and of course the simple easily understood facts that the Saint was not operating anywhere near the chief centres of migration, never met any of the settlers and did not speak the relevant language also seal the issue.

[E.P. Grondine]

My G*d, simon, but you are dense.

You read and speak Latin, simon?
Well, so do several thousand unemployed grad students.
There is a reason that fellow at Oxford is there with a $125 book,
and you're here on a bbs prattling on about
how wonderful the Anglo Saxons and Patrick were.

Yes, no shit jake, that LIfe was written
to show how "blessed" and "holy" Columba was.
But the guy at Oxford is able to deconstruct it to its sources,
and that is something that you are completely incapable of doing.
And that, simon, is why he is at Oxford, and you are here.

[Simon21]

My G*d, simon, but you are dense

You have been warned about being abusive. I suggest you take it seriously.

You read and speak Latin, simon?
Well, so do several thousand unemployed grad students.
There is a reason that fellow at Oxford is there with a $125 book,
and you're here on a bbs prattling on about
how wonderful the Anglo Saxons and Patrick were.

This, as usual makes no sense. What does a $125 book got to do with speaking and reading Latin?
As you cannot be bothered to do.
And does this book have a title - you obviously do not get much for $125.

Yes, no shit jake, that LIfe was written
to show how "blessed" and "holy" Columba was.
But the guy at Oxford is able to deconstruct it to its sources,
and that is something that you are completely incapable of doing.
And that, simon, is why he is at Oxford, and you are here.

Again incoherent. St Colomba is not relevant to this debate.
The cost of a book is not relevant to anything at all.
A history of British Settlements in Britona was selling for £200 - wacky doo
You have as usual contributed nothing but a semi hysterical, incoherent diatribe
Surely it is clear now Michelle that this individual should be banned

[Simon21]

And in the spirit of good will

Here is a book you could easily purchase and read (more difficult)

https://amzn.to/2J8jxsP for only $20 or so

Here is another perhaps at your level?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1911259113/ ... il_0?psc=1:

Best not to try this one yet:

https://amzn.to/2NEeDXV

[E.P. Grondine]

St Columba is not relevant to this debate.

That fellow at Oxford disagrees with you.

I suspect that this historian does as well:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mercia-Anglo-S ... 0R2J8CNSED
if you care to pitch the pesos for it, it might do you some good.

My interests in this area concern very early metal working, and the Cruit (Caledonians),
both well before the Anglo-Saxons arrived.
A nice pamphlet on the early ruins in Glasgow area that were lost due to development
might be interesting reading, if one exists.

Aside from that, I put my "geological specimens" in the mail,
and I am heading for Bazas.

[Simon21]

Michelle how is one supposed to reply to this sort of non comment?

That fellow at Oxford disagrees with you.

Disagrees with me about what? What is his name?
Anyway its a complete lie "That fellow" agrees
totally with me and says you know nothing and should be banned from this site.
I agree with him.

So there

I suspect that this historian does as well:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mercia-Anglo-S ... 0R2J8CNSED
if you care to pitch the pesos for it, it might do you some good.
My interests in this area concern very early metal working, and the Cruit (Caledonians),

What area? Mercia? Mercia is nowhere near Southern Scotland.
You are just putting words together without any sense to them
Very early metalworking? No surviving scottish metalwork is much earlier than the fifth century,
when it can be dated.
Completely incoherent comment

There are no such people called the Cruit and the Caledonians is a general Roman name

both well before the Anglo-Saxons arrived.

Arrived where? In Scotland? The Scots had hardly arrived before the fifth century

A nice pamphlet on the early ruins in Glasgow area that were lost due to development
might be interesting reading, if one exists.

[/quote]

A nice pamphlet might be interesting if it existed. Astounding comment. If it
doesn't exist of course it wold be less interesting?

As Tiompan said about you and judging by your reaction the comment hit home
you present no evidence of your views, the views themsleve make no coherent sense and
all you do is mindlessly repeat slogans in almost unreadable English

Plust the facts that you now seem to think Mercia is in Scotland and Scotland is in Denmark

[E.P. Grondine]

simon,

you can believe whatever you want to believe.
I myself prefer facts.
The best way to get them is by excavation.
and one of the best ways to locate sites is by rigorous analysis of text sources.
Given your rather complete failure at doing this for at least 30 years,
perhaps you will excuse me if I do not think much of your apparat.
From the evidence at hand, it simply does not work.

[MichelleH]

Asking who is 'this fellow' is a logical request of source. E.P. you state

one of the best ways to locate sites is by rigorous analysis of text sources

. Text sources are one method ONLY. There are oral histories, papyrus and scrolls (no I do not count them with your text sources), lab analysis and more. If your reference something like 'this fellow', back it up. I am really growing weary over this. Also I would prefer that you keep your graphics much smaller than you are posting. It hogs bandwidth, and screen space (I'm am running a 28" monitor, not a laptop.) and the size is, frankly, assaulting.

I am really having a desire to invite Dr. Arch back, but Minimalist would kill me. Marduk might be an option. (Not serious on this count, they have life bans)

[Minimalist]

Oh, hell no. Arch would liven the place up.

[MichelleH]

Oh, hell no. Arch would liven the place up.

No, no and no, there is not enough alcohol in the State of Arizona to deal with that crap. I'd rather let Rokcet or Marduk back in well before Arch.....at least they didn't spam me over and over with threats of a frivolous liable lawsuit and try to beat about the head with the damn bible. No time for that kind of shit!

[Simon21]

simon,

you can believe whatever you want to believe.

]]

Thanks but I do not need your permission

I myself prefer facts.

Really well one would not have guessed from someone who

1. Thinks Scotland is in Denmark
2. Mercia is in Scotland
3. No one in Southern Britain produced metalwork for over five centuries
4. There are a myserious people called the Cruit, that no one else has ever heard of
4. Israeli Druze live in the North Atlantic (presumably swimming like buggery)
5. Inlaid cut jewellery is made with stone tools'
6. Oh and a flourishing French town was in fact wiped out by meteors

All completely, utterely and obviously false.
Tiompan mentioned this tendency of yours to
endlessly and mindlessly repeat slogans and lies

Not seen you produce a single fact

The best way to get them is by excavation.

Not much point to that if you do not know where or what
you are excavating. Or are tryng to prove the supernatural or prove a crackpot theory
such as the existence of Leprechauns or non-asteroid attacks
And you yourself have clearly not done any excavating which you seem to think is some
form of elaborate treasure hunt.

and one of the best ways to locate sites is by rigorous analysis of text sources.

Which requires you to bother learning languages, putting some effort in

Given your rather complete failure at doing this for at least 30 years,
perhaps you will excuse me if I do not think much of your apparat.
From the evidence at hand, it simply does not work.

It works better than your curious and utter inability to write in coherent,
comprehensible English replete with hanging clauses and complete non-sequiturs
such as the bizzare importance of $125.

[MichelleH]

Simon, stop, now.